Is Edward Snowden a hero, criminal, mole?

Thousands of people were appaled when they first saw the image — of an advertisement thanking NSA leaker Edward Snowden which supposedly appeared on the side of a Metrobus in downtown Washington, D.C., in November. This was in an article in both the New York Times and Guardian. Then the NPR Facebook entertained over 3,000,000 Facebook users with this photo and a newspaper story. But under close scrutiny, it looks very much like a Photoshop spoof.

Edward Snowden's face on the side of a DC Metro Bus . . .

The New York Times and The Guardian say the accused spy has exposed abuses — and they are willing to ignore felonies to “forgive” the criminal. The story, by Scott Newman is titled: Newspapers: ‘Whistle-Blower’ Snowden Deserves Clemency. Link below.

If it is a Photoshop spoof, then a lot of people were flamed into commenting on the NPR spread. Regardless of what it’s inventors meant, it gives us a unique opportunity to test the pulse of Facebook users who follow NPR. Aside from the overwhelming sentiment that Snowden is a traitor, a quick scan of the actual names of commentors suggests many of his supporters are non-Americans.

A most disturbing development has really harmed America, when Snowden released a “playbook” (fake, doctored or real) that lists all the “toys” the NSA has at its disposal. This is ultra damaging because now, all the anti-American countries around the world are now trying to arm themselves with the same tools and weapons. This is another strong indication that Snowden is actually an operative-cell from an anti-American country. Hopefully, NSA has toys and tools it did not share with Snowden.

We captured a cross section of comments. You can read all 600+ if you like at the link below.

Quoting directly from NPR’s Facebook thread:

  • KB: Clemency?? For a traitor???
     
  • JP: People thanking Snowden…. Where were you when the Patriot Act passed?
     
  • EM: And wanted to share those “exposed abuses” with countries that have hostile tendencies towards the US. Yeah, China and Russia are real beacons of freedom. This guy is the definition of hypocrisy.
     
  • BM: There was a right way and a wrong way to expose abuses, and Snowden chose the wrong way.
     
  • AC: If you think he’s a traitor, the government is successfully keeping you in the dark.
     
  • PF: So you all didn’t know about this stuff when G.W.Bush passed to he patriot act? I was screaming no then why does it bother so much now. Is it because you think Obama started this horrible program?
     
  • MB: This stuff has been going on since corporations started to sell us the internet… the only news story here is that people wallowed this long in self imposed ignorance and lied to themselves about the internet somehow being a “Free zone”.
     
  • PGF: Bullshit. He deserves to sit in a jail for the rest of his life for handling the situation the way he did!
     
  • NB: Anyone openly soliciting stolen secret US intelligence to other countries in exchange for amnesty does not deserve clemnency. If he wants to come back, he can go to trial.
     
  • EJ: lol except he wouldnt have gotten a trial.
     
  • AH: Give that man a peace prize!
     
  • DHS: True Patriotism in America is found in dissent
     
  • RB: The man is a hero.
     
  • HE: It is amazing how the difference between a”traitor” or “whistle-blower” label is nothing more than one piece of paper.
     
  • EZ: “The New York Times and The Guardian say the accused spy has exposed abuses.” Really, NPR? Who doesn’t say he has exposed abuses. The story here is that the NY Times and The Guardian are asking for clemency or a pardon or some kind of honorable return. It is pretty much a given at this point that there were dramatic abuses and that he exposed them.
     
  • HD: To me, anyone accusing Snowden of being a traitor holds a blind allegiance to country, rather than their fellow man.
    “If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country.” – E. M. Forster
     
  • DS: The man needs to go to prison
     
  • JW: If this were 1942 would people still think he was a hero for revealing info on our spy agencies I wonder? Just a perspective to think about.
     
  • KA: There’s a right way to do things and then there’s the Sownden way ?
     
  • DH: American Hero… anyone calling him a traitor should have their head examined (and re-read the Constitution).
     
  • JF: Anyone calling him a hero should have their head examined.
     
  • DB: Traitor or hero? NOT a hero. Definitely a coward for the manner in which he exposed surveillance.
     
  • JS: Ughhhhh now we gotta see his face on buses
     
  • BM: He did – and I thank him. We need more people like that, lots of them.
     
  • TC: Traitor!? In a government “Of The People, By The People, And For The People” how is his exposing shady government practices against the People an act of treason? Our government should work FOR us, and answer TO us. If “We The People” call for clemency, then it should be done!
     
  • AM: He knew the consequences for his actions and chose to go ahead with them anyway, clemency is stupid.
     
  • SDL: He is a coward and now a pupoet for Russia. Some hero!
     
  • KE: I say get your ass back here and face the music. Giving up security secrets doesn’t quite qualify you as anything but a low life. Stop hiding in Russia!!!!!
     
  • GR: Hero deserves a pardon. , but won’t get it
     
  • MK: Snowden is a Moral hero. An example to our children. You do not tolerate evil.
     
  • KDP: TRAITOR!
     
  • NS: Let him bask in the warmth of Putin, no way he did not trade lap tops to stay.
     
  • KW: Illegal at best. Treason at worst. And now a tool of soviet propaganda.
     
  • LV: He did exactly what the NSA is guilty of. He acquired information without permission.
     
  • KT: So do people simply not watch Front Line? They discussed the Room 641A something like 6 years ago now. Fully explained at that time what was taking place with our email and web activity being intercepted….. Right on TV for everyone to see. Not sure why there was shock when Snowden said the same thing.
     
  • DM: Bush’s actions have changed our world and for that I am thankful. However this type of courage has consequences and he is dealing with those now. Bravery requires sacrifice; that’s why its so rare.
     
  • WH: Snowden deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom but we can start with clemency.
     
  • DAM: He deserves to be executed for treason. We have, however, gone to far with our surveillance programs.
     
  • JW: I guess I am confused, who is the traitor? The people who exposed the wrong doers, the wrong doers who continue to get away with it, or the people who allow it to continue? It seems to me that this whole thing is really screwed up and it continues and we keep pointing fingers. Good way to solve the problem.
     
  • LT: Had he not gone to the chinese and the Russians I might agree. As it is? I can’t..
     
  • LM: “Dissent is what keeps democracy from dying a quiet death behind closed doors” — Molly Ivins
     
  • TA: The government was doing unconstitutional and illegal activities and the guy who exposes them is the bad guy? Everyone that calls this guy a traitor has a brain disorder. The government betrayed all of us.
     
  • CJS: And wanted to share those “exposed abuses” with countries that have hostile tendencies towards the US. Yeah, China and Russia are real beacons of freedom. This guy is the definition of hypocrisy.
     
  • NB: Anyone openly soliciting stolen secret US intelligence to other countries in exchange for amnesty does not deserve clemnency. If he wants to come back, he can go to trial.
     
  • Brandon: You guys are really stuck on that word aren’t you… “traitor” You type it with such disdain. As if the founding fathers of your country were not traitors themselves. If exposing corruption makes one a traitor, and covering it up makes one a hero, then we must change the definitions of those words.
     
  • Juan: People thanking Snowden…. Where were you when the Patriot Act passed?
     
  • Jon: Let us not forget Chelsea Manning. When will NPR do that story? We cannot forget that more than one person has sacrificed to expose the unlawful intrusions into our lives.
     
  • Jared: No person of honorable intent steals secret information and releases little bits at a time as a bargaining tool with counties that have horrible human right violations like Russia and China. This guy flagrantly put Americans in danger and should face the repercussions.
          By the way before everyone that gets wrapped up with the NSA remember this: a person is 25 to 100 times more likely to be spied on by government and law enforcement in Europe than in the United States (for those who think that was a fox news story guess what, that was an NPR article that last June). PRISM was a program designed to gather foreign intelligence on people that are spying on the United States anyway.
          You people are so damn naive if you think all those countries are spying just as hard on the United States….think china and Russia just have really good inventors and engineers? No, china and Russia steal our technology left and right…at the expense of our jobs and security. Good god the Russians don’t even want him because he’s more trouble than he’s worth but they don’t want to look weak… which is why the little traitor is trying to bribe Brazil for amnesty now.

    All of you who think Edward Snowden is some kind of hero need a harsh wake up call on the realities of the world. One last note…I know its popular to blame the US for everything but you people need to do a little research in GCHQ, the British intelligence agency that did most of the spying, or ASKED the NSA to spy on targets for them.
     

  • Kent: Clemency?? For a traitor???
     
  • Peter: So you all didn’t know about this stuff when G.W.Bush passed to he patriot act? I was screaming no then why does it bother so much now. Is it because you think Obama started this horrible program?
     
  • Patricia: Bullshit. He deserves to sit in a jail for the rest of his life for handling the situation the way he did!
     
  • Austin: Give that man a peace prize!
     
  • Don: American Hero… anyone calling him a traitor should have their head examined (and re-read the Constitution).
     
  • Tyler: Traitor? Really? Everyone accusing Edward Snowden, saying he needs life in prison, etc. needs to think about what they’re trying to defend. This wasn’t about keeping you safe. No one, much less the government, has your best interest at heart. They were…See More
     
  • Spring: He is a coward and now a pupoet for Russia. Some hero!
     
  • John: You’re a smart person Duane. I, like you, appreciate the fact that the NSA is using porn habits as political leverage. I really think it would have been better if the scope of their power kept growing thanks to secret courts
     
  • Elizabeth: “The New York Times and The Guardian say the accused spy has exposed abuses.” Really, NPR? Who doesn’t say he has exposed abuses. The story here is that the NY Times and The Guardian are asking for clemency or a pardon or some kind of honorable return. It is pretty much a given at this point that there were dramatic abuses and that he exposed them.
     
  • Ken: it’s NPR that won’t say Snowden exposed abuses. Look at NPRs track record of Snowden stories for 2013. It’s mostly re-blogging other people doing real news. Look at KQED, NPR station for Silicon Valley. 0 stories for months, and NSA shills when they do air anything.
     
  • Arefourlights: The government was doing unconstitutional and illegal activities and the guy who exposes them is the bad guy? Everyone that calls this guy a traitor has a brain disorder. The government betrayed all of us.
     
  • Trayce: Traitor!? In a government “Of The People, By The People, And For The People” how is his exposing shady government practices against the People an act of treason? Our government should work FOR us, and answer TO us. If “We The People” call for clemency, then it should be done!
     
  • Dolores: Traitor or hero? NOT a hero. Definitely a coward for the manner in which he exposed surveillance.
     
  • Laurie: “Dissent is what keeps democracy from dying a quiet death behind closed doors” — Molly Ivins
     
  • Ariel: If you think he’s a traitor, the government is successfully keeping you in the dark.
     
  • Katie: People who lionize this guy and have decided he’s some sort of noble freedom fighter leave me shaking my head. Come home and face the music, Snowden, then we will talk about bravery. Until then, there’s still a chance thus guy is only a media whore with an inflated sense of self importance.
     
  • John: Yeah, because Chelsea Manning was treated well by our not-at-all-broken justice system. I mean, solitary confinement for how long? Physically abused by guards? I honestly don’t know why Snowden wouldn’t want that.
     
  • Holli: It is amazing how the difference between a”traitor” or “whistle-blower” label is nothing more than one piece of paper.
     
  • Adam: If you think he’s a traitor you’re an idiot. His actions were motivated by the founding principles of FREEDOM. Not against the people of the United States. Zero mission specific information was disclosed. Only information exposing our government of their traitorous actions. The US gov is the traitor here. They broke the constitution not Snowden.
     
  • Juan: thanks, edward, for betraying us. thanks.
     
  • Christopher: Our government, which has demonstrated contempt for our Constitutional rights, is the traitor
     
  • Rob: Snowden is a traitor. While in theory I see the point he claims to make, the first thing he did was run to China and then Russia to escape; 2 of the biggest violators of a free society and liberty in the industrial world. That’s not an act that screams…See More
     
  • Tom: Bullshit…. He deserves to be tried for treason……
     
  • John: I guess I am confused, who is the traitor? The people who exposed the wrong doers, the wrong doers who continue to get away with it, or the people who allow it to continue? It seems to me that this whole thing is really screwed up and it continues and we keep pointing fingers. Good way to solve the problem.
     
  • Lynne: Had he not gone to the chinese and the Russians I might agree. As it is? I can’t..
     
  • Jason: “He may have committed a crime to do so,” The thing is, it’s not supposed to, and shouldn’t be a crime to expose these abuses. People got all First Amendment over some redneck for citing a 2000 year old book’s view on homosexuality, but this is the REA…
     
  • Patrick: loyalty to a country is not the same thing as loyalty to a corrupt government running said country. our government need earn our loyalty, especially after the last 15 years.
     
  • Kelly: changing my views on him. when the story first broke i thought he was a traitor who should be hung. but over time and finding out about the crap he has exposed i’m starting to think we all owe him big-time.
     
  • Kevin: I say get your ass back here and face the music. Giving up security secrets doesn’t quite qualify you as anything but a low life. Stop hiding in Russia!!!!!
     
  • Denise: I really don’t care if they are listening to my phone call if it help to catch terrorist .
     
  • Daniel: He deserves to be executed for treason. We have, however, gone to far with our surveillance programs.
     
  • Barbara: He did – and I thank him. We need more people like that, lots of them.
     
  • Jessy: For what exposing us for what every country in the world does,and our gov has been doing since the echelon system when he was getting paid six figures and even talked about shooting people in the balls who betrayed their gov ? He’s a hypocrite
     
  • Gabriel: Hero deserves a pardon. , but won’t get it
     
  • Michael: If only other media outlets would be so bold to make such statements and stand up for the people instead of cowering to the corporations and government.
     
  • Guy: for the taliban
     
  • John: Guy – you’re the type of person who makes those ‘merica jokes sadly funny.
     
  • Wayne: Just ask yourself if what he did helped America and it’s people in any way shape or form. The answer is no so no he’s no hero and deserves to be prosecuted for treason. And let’s get another thing straight, there was no abuse of power by the NSA, they are totally within their jurisdiction to collect any and all the information they want in order to do their job.
     
  • Patrick: “exposing corruption and constitution violations doesn’t help america or it’s people, the NSA has the right to do whatever it wants to make me feel safe” : you are basically the embodiment of the problem.
     
  • Mike: even now a grass roots movement is forming to take back our 4th Amendment rights. He WAS the spark. When children read history books in a 100 years, HE will be the hero and George W Obama will be the villain
     
  • Alan: No he doesn’t… Fuck that guy
     
  • Alan: He is an arrogant traitor looking for fame. Unfortunately he is getting his wish.
     
  • Shannon: Edward Snowden is a terrorist. He broke laws, he stole classified documents and files, he accessed classified data bases, and he leaked that information to cause harm. He is just as guilty as the the PFC who gave WikiLeaks classified information and should be held accountable for such acts. There is a difference between being a whistle blower and committing treason. Edward Snowden does not deserve clemency.
     
  • Joy: Snowden has exposed abuses and has made Americans understand that we are living under a surveillance state. If he is granted clemency does it mean that the leaks will be stopped as part of a deal? I have a feeling Snowden still has a large amount of data that he still hasn’t released. I hope he continues to release information and yes something should be done to help Snowden for the good that he has done, but not at the expense of possibly silencing him.
     
  • Jake: What “abuses”?
     
  • Paul: Unconstitutional, illegal wiretapping of data the government does not need without asking for permission.
     
  • Andy: The comments on the NPR article are depressingly jingoistic. Obama promised transparency. NSA lied. Snowden did the right thing.
     
  • Suzi: But, we can’t hold anyone responsible for violating our rights because we weren’t supposed to know it was happening. Ergo, we can’t and shouldn’t be able to do anything about it. This is what the courts are saying, that our knowing, due to Snowden’s actions, in no way means we know it and that they did it. If Snowden hadn’t revealed the government was spying on us we’d never have known and if we don’t know it follows that they aren’t doing it.
     
  • The government actually wants us to unknow what we know so they can continue to spy ‘without out knowing’ which makes it okay because, you know, we don’t know.
     
  • Robert: Perhaps if he hadn’t gone to Russia/Putin for shelter, I might be willing to try and understand his perspective. Now he has practically declared himself a traitor. What he uncovered is important information for Americans but the way he handled himself is unAmerican He doesn’t look like a hero to me after going to Putin for protection.
     
  • Joshua: Heroes don’t run away from the consequences of their actions. Dude is a coward, straight up.
     
  • Ryan: Why would anyone want our corrupt government spying on us? Are you that afraid of the terrorists? The real terrorists work in DC. They are the ones who put us $17,000,000,000,000 in DEBT. They are the ones starting bogus wars. They are the ones creating inflation. They are the ones who are bought off by large corporations. Wake up people. Pull the wool from off of your eyes. Our government no longer works for “we the people”. They only look out for themselves.
     
  • Kara: Absolutely. He deserves hero status rather than what is currently going on. What an amazing self sacrifice (he knew what the consequences of his actions would be). Let’s all remember that this government has repeatedly proved itself corrupt, he merely had the guts to expose it.
     
  • Jeff: Self sacrifice? Child, please.
     
  • Kara: First and foremost-not a child. Let’s be respectful, shall we? Secondly, I would bet that any of us would lack the balls, if you will, to be banished from our country for our beliefs/standing up for what is right and legal.
     
  • Adam: He knew the consequences for his actions and chose to go ahead with them anyway, clemency is stupid.
     
  • Eric: just because there are consequences doesnt make it right. he did what he thought he had too. and good for him. he wouldnt come back to the us though even if they did offer it.
     
  • Adam: There are many laws I don’t agree with, I don’t break them because I know the consequences. He made his bed and now has to sleep in it.
     
  • Paul: Why would I care if the NSA or anyone else heard my phone calls or read my emails? They were looking for “keywords.” And in the absence of those my conversations and emails meant nothing to them. I feel more betrayed by this cry baby Snowden who was willing to sell US ALL out too foreign governments. Do you really think your privacy is more important than the overall safety of an entire nation? What do you have to hide?
     
  • James: The first people he gave the information to were foreign enemies. He is a traitor during time of war!
     
  • Flower: He only went to Russia and China because jerks that are calling him a traitor and our over powering bully of a government does not protect its citizens before protecting itself. Citizens first government second. Those of you who believe government should come first should go live in China or Russia.
     
  • Nick: Let him bask in the warmth of Putin, no way he did not trade lap tops to stay.
     
  • Ed: e gave his entire collection of documents to Glen Greenwald, a journalist at the Guardian, a newspaper, who published them. Then he fled Hong Kong for Russia, because he couldnt get assylum anywhere else. So how could he ‘trade’ anything to the Russians? everything he had was already leaked by the Guardian.
     
  • Adrienne: Conyer He is a traitor and should be put to death. This country has processes and had the proper channels been followed he could have still got things changed.
     
  • Ed: please explain what ‘the proper channels’ are for leaking nsa secrets.
     
  • David: His actions have changed our world and for that I am thankful. However this type of courage has consequences and he is dealing with those now. Bravery requires sacrifice; that’s why its so rare.
     
  • Kathie: Yes, conformity is easy….most of us are guilty keeping quiet!
     
  • Gustavo: Benedict Arnold thought he was doing good for the colonies too… lets end the war by helping the British win. Go to congress, voice your concerns, get a conversation going.. don’t just divulge our secrets.
     
  • Travis: It’s ignorant to call the man anything other than a patriot. A government should fear its people, not the other way around. WE are supposed to set policy, not them!!
     
  • Steve: Christ, his smug face just fills me with anger every time I see it plastered somewhere. “Whistleblowers” go to the NYT or Capitol Hill, not China or Russia. When was the last time you saw Aldrich Ames face on the side of buses?
     
  • Larry: It is very upsetting to see how many Americans would side with a traitor. Snowden should have stayed here and not go straight to our enemies with his information. Execution is called for.
     
  • Voltar: Traitor. Traitor? Is a traitor one who exposes traitors who happen to be in power? Who retain their power through the abuse of that power and use government to attack their political opponents? Who violate international law? Who sneak legislation in under the radar and use media to divert public attention?
     
  • Who are you to call this folk hero a traitor?
     
  • Patrick: Revealing domestic spying – arguably patriotic. Revealing foreign spying – traitorous. Pretty simple to me. No clemency deserved, he has damaged the US and its relationships with allies.
     
  • Saulo: All my heroes have FBI files!
     
  • Emilie: He may have exposed abuses but he also perpetrated them as well. And if he is a true Whistle Blower then he needs to come home and stand up in court and blow that whistle legally…not the way he has been…by blackmailing the US with threats of more exposure while living in a country that is not necessarily our closest ally…
     
  • Merra-Lee: TRAITOR! SELLING SECRETS TO OUR ‘FRENEMIES’ IS CALLED BEING A TRAITOR, NOT A HERO. and yes, he is being GREATLY compensated for his ahem, sharing of info. When you lose loved ones to bombings and acts of terror BECAUSE of HIS ahem, sharing of info, you write back to us and tell us how much of a hero you really think he is.
     
  • Ryan: When it is a crime to report a crime, you are being ruled by criminals. Snowden simply reported a crime being committed against every American. He stood up for our Constitution and our rights. He gave up his career and way of life for us, yet some stupid sheep still call him a traitor. He is clearly a HERO! And for that, I want to thank him for what he has done against our tyrant government.
     
  • Adam: Snowden is not a traitor, everyone that thinks he is a traitor is a traitor… shills for our corporate police state. He exposed crimes our government has been committing… that’s not a traitor, that’s a hero.
     
  • Jonathan: Clemency….no thank you. His motives were impure and politically motivated. His decision to flee the country and hold information as a bargaining chip is criminal. Leave him where he is. He made his bed.
     
  • Chris: He put us all in danger by exposing as much as he did. I am appalled by the abuses as well, but it should not be allowed that these contractors expose national security secrets based on their own moral compass. In order to stop the precedent, he should be treated as any other person charged with treason and no mercy should be shown.
     
  • Gray: If you really consider the guy a ‘hero’, do something about the system he blew the whistle on. Effectively ignoring the systematic trampling of individual rights while begging for his pardon is the epitome of nonsensical.
     
  • Christy: When someone steals from us, pulls a sucker punch and then runs away crying to others about how bad we are, why would we allow that person to come back to us – especially when they are not contrite and sorry for their actions?
     
  • Mary: Snowden gave up a 6 figure salary and a sweet life in Hawaii to inform the US people of this violation. He had everything to lose in order to expose this. It bothered him that much. That alone should clue people in.
     
  • Dawn: Our men and women in the military are heroes; Snowden is a traitor. He was prepared to sell our secrets to the highest bidder; he’s gonna get himself killed playing spy games.
     
  • Kit: I don’t understand all you sheep calling Snowden a traitor for revealing the unconstitutional behavior of the US government. If you don’t care about your privacy blast your email and password. And your credit card numbers… and your social security number…
     
  • Sandra: He’s a traitor and should be treated as such!
     
  • Rinaldo: Ed is a traitor.
     
  • Aaron: Negative commenters on this post should be put in Guantanamo, because safety is more important than freedom. Hahaha!
     
  • Soroya: He’s a traitor. It’s one thing to expose abuses against the American people, its a different story to expose what our government is doing against other governments, friends or foes, who ARE doing the exact same things to our leaders. He should comeback and face a jury of his peers.
     
  • David: Has anyone for this guy think that he possibly put people getting this information in danger??? For all we know some people may have been killed! This guy deserves a jail cell.
     
  • Clint: Snowden offered highly classified information for trade to the country that would harbor him. He is not noble. He will not win.
     
  • Mike: Massivly misreported
     
  • Clint: Not misobserved by common sense folks. That’s a problem with living life through journalists.
     
  • Josiah: He is still a coward.
     
  • Tom: Traitor with a God complex.
     
  • Rebecca: You are right Kent no one should expose the crimes of government on its people, we should just be good sheep.
     
  • Will: Snowden is a vain scumbag.
     
  • Joe: Regardless of what you think of the act itself, the man is a narcissist on the biggest ego trip of his life. How many honestly think that their government doesn’t spy on other governments or even their own people? What’s being missed is the fact that a security agency had one person who had access all of the information. They broke one of the golden rules of security. So how effective is a security agency that violates its own credo? This rest of this Snowden nonsense is smokescreen for the real problem.
     
  • Spring: He is a coward above all. Face the music you orchestrated.
     
  • Kathy: Illegal at best. Treason at worst. And now a tool of soviet propaganda.
     
  • Jimmy: You might want to look up the definition or treason, what he did was the farthest thing from it.
     
  • Mike: Also, refresh your history from 1991 to present
     
  • Mary: I hated the Patriot Act and related monkey business under Bush, and I am not going to pretend I support this NSA nonsense under Obama just because I voted for him. That said, I don’t think Snowden should have run, and I don’t think an automatic pardon or clemency is appropriate. He needs to come back and explain himself. Then we can talk about what might be next.
     
  • Jimmy: Explain himself for what??? Exposing criminal/unconstitutional activities by our government……
     
  • Mary: No, that doesn’t need explaining, and I support it. He does, however, – as the NYT put it – “sit on a trove of documents that he has not released yet”. The U.S. government should know exactly what it is he has, the specifics of how he accessed the documents and who else – if anyone – has seen them. It is certainly better to offer him a deal just to ‘keep him on our side’ … if such a thing is even possible anymore.
     
  • Joe: ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” [Thomas Jefferson]
     
  • Melody: They’ll toss him in Guantanamo if he ever comes back. No trial, no nothing. And then everyone will forget as the media covers what the worthless fucking Kardashians are doing.
     
  • Brad: but he sold his information for immunity from other nations. That makes him a traitor.
     
  • Carla: And I still have the temerity to say, “Fuck you, Edward Snowden!”
     
  • Rich: I really don’t get you Carla? The government is collecting all the data they can on you all the time, ignoring the constitution – and you think Snowden is in the wrong?
     
  • Carla: Yeah, he is. The funny thing about Snowden was that he was unqualified for the job he held. And then he had the nerve to bite the hand of entitlement that fed him. He hasn’t done anything heroic His makeup is one driven by ego. There were other ways to bring this to light and he chose the most destructive, most insulting way possible. He also betrayed his own personal family –who presumably secured his job for him. And I can’t imagine who out there he has put in danger with his actions. Run to Russia you say? Yeah, this bastard is no kind of hero. The American sense of discernment is way off kilter.
     
  • Zach: The only problem I have with Snowden is the way he went about it.
     
  • He could have faced the music, or released it to journalists and maintained his anonymity. Instead he wanted credit for it without the consequences. He exposes “abuses” here in a America and then sought refuge in nations that aren’t exactly known for their open door policies. He wanted the fame. He got it, and all the consequences that come with that. He took classified information and ran off to a foreign country. If the United States government don’t take that seriously then wtf is the point of a government. Sure, take those stolen CIA identities and sell them to the Pakistanis. Got secret extraction point information, sell it to Hezbollah. It’s not all the same obviously, but as a matter of governance you can’t just let the theft of secret information go without at least getting the guy stateside and finding out everything he took.
     
  • Jared: From an NPR article: “According to the Max Planck Institute, you’re 100 times more likely to be surveilled by your own government if you live in the Netherlands or you live in Italy,” Baker said. “You’re 30 to 50 times more likely to be surveilled if you’re a French or a German national than in the United States.”
     
  • If you don’t like it…move.
     
  • David: They should pin a medal on him. I’ll give him asylum in my house.
     
  • Scotty: Just ridiculous. This man is a traitor. I took an oath to have this secure position. He has harmed our country.
     
  • Sandy: If he wanted gratitude, he should have done his whistleblowing the right way and stayed to accept the consequences. He can stay in the USSR forever as far as I’m concerned. See how he likes real government oppression.
     
  • Richard: darn that 4th Amendment anyway!
     
  • Lourdes: When is Snowden going to speak out against the abuses in his new home, Russia?? Oh yeah, crickets…. he’s too cowardly, the hypocrite.
     
  • Sue: Snowden would be a complete fool to trust this government about anything. His life is changed forever. And, no mercy on NSA when they are all brought to trial for Conspiracy to Subvert the Constitution of the United States.
     
  • Nate Phoenix: He is a true hero of the people.
     
  • Joan: He put people’s lives in jeopardy. He’s a self-aggrandizer.
     
  • Darrell: Snowden broke the law & should pay the price. I’m not saying he has to be thrown in jail for the rest of his life, but you must pay the price for your actions.
     
  • Alexander: If he rolls back the surveillance programs, he will have strengthened our country. Our liberty is what makes us strong, not snooping.
     
  • Mark: I agree, Clemency is deserving — he did what most would have liked to do.
     
  • Kelly: I love that people are trying to make the argument that If he were a hero he should have stayed / it wasn’t what he did but the way he did it blablabla. bad arguments. If either had happened (he stayed to talk/didn’t take the docs illegally) we wouldn’t have any idea any of this was going on!!! that’s the point I think we should take from this. we shouldn’t have to go to these lengths to know what the government is doing to us! (& from what I understand he has a shit load more dirt. new/uglier stuff he’s holding onto for collateral so you must want to slap that government dick out of your mouth until you have all the facts -might change your mind
     
  • Kelli: Yes, let’s all hail the king of American privilege sitting on his ass in Moscow. I don’t think so.
     
  • Michael: While I think NSAs spying needs to be curtailed, I think Snowdens effort may have exposed some things that may have hurt national security. I think he needs to be prosecuted.
     
  • John: Snowden did what was right.
     
  • Joshua: He deserves a bullet in the head. What he did may have been beneficial but how he did it was treasonous. This idiot had our secrets available to nearly every one of our enemies. Bullet in the head.
     
  • Cindy: Traitor! I can debate NSA tactics all day, and can see both sides, but this creep deserves prison. For good. I am a proud vet but I would never say my country is always right, but I want him shut away not praised.
     
  • Marsha: He didn’t have the guts to stand his ground. Not a patriot, a coward.
     
  • Anthony: Whistle Blowers don’t run away.
     
  • Thomas: I wish the press had spoken out in favor of transparency between the years of 2001 and 2008, when we needed it. Perhaps the problem would never have started had they been more critical of that administration back then.
     
  • DL: PS- he ran because he’s a COWARD. If he was doing right and he knew it, he would have stayed in the States. He’s no better than the people he claims to be violating our right to privacy.
     
  • Devin: Treason is defined as “A violation of allegiance toward one’s country by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.”
    Edward Snowden simply provided information to US–the citizens of this nation. He in no way aided or supported our enemies. So if you believe Snowden committed treason, then you are saying that WE, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY, ARE THE ENEMIES.
     
  • Neil: This man is a hero. Directors of the NSA should be tried in public court. Look how far we are going to protect ourselves from the dastardly terrorists. And why do these people hate us so much? That’s a question that goes a little farther than the patriotic bullshit we are fed.
     
  • Lisa: Snowden is a traitor….and needs to stay wherever he is. And he knows it.
     
  • Bob: Clemency means he is entitled to choose the noose at the end of a rope or who throws the switch!
     
  • Julian: He deserves clemency absolutely.
     
  • Deb: AND- where has all the righteous indignation been over all the decades as ‘big business’ has been compiling personal information about anyone who purchases anything?
     
  • Mark: IF he were a patriot… he would have stayed to stand by his actions….not run off to a hot bed of political corruption and oppression.
     
  • Paul: Could Snowden have effectively blown the whistle without breaking the law? Of course not. Would Snowden’s actions have been any more morally justified if he went to prison for them? In my view, his experiencing severe consequences for his illegal actions would serve only the cause of injustice and oppression.
     
  • Angelique: This has been going on since the beginning of time. The difference is that we now have technology which makes it impossible to have any privacy, and we have all bought into it with our narcissistic postings, s.e.l.f.i.e.s, etc. (hate self correcting technology!)
    Technology will not stand still, so the ways in which we gather information of any kind is fair game. If you have nothing to hide, what’s at stake, and don’t tell me the constitution. I received from GOOGLE an album of photographs I had no idea they had suggesting I might want to send it to my family members as a gift. Face recognition technology. And damn if they didn’t select the exact photos I would have chosen from the hundreds I took! It is ubiquitous. If you think it will stop, you are mistaken. And our enemies are doing the same to us. Having lost a husband in the WTC, (and being a liberal democrat), I am not one iota in conflict about this.
     
  • Kit: Can I have your bank account number if you don’t care about your privacy. I would like to make sure you’re not a terrorist funding terrorist activities.
     
  • Angelique: My bank account has been hacked several times, and not by the gov’t. Fortunately, there isn’t much in it.
     
  • Cori: Snowden broke the law, he should stand trial for it. Whether I agree with his actions or not should play no part.
     
  • Ida: Whether he exposed abuses is not the point. He sold god knows what else to china and Russia and was on his way to Cuba with 6 laptops of classified information. He can face a jury or live off the pleasure of Vladimir Putin.
     
  • Meg: It bothers no one that Mr Snowden took two separate oath to uphold the secrets and then broke them? Clemency is not appropriate.
     
  • John: He was a hero to the U.S. by exposing the NSA, then he went too far and gave our intelligence away to the world. He’s a traitor to the U.S. , a hero to the rest of the world
     
  • Mel: Americans are their own worst enemy. No matter how altruistic Snowden’s intent was (which I doubt) he has consistently acted in his own interests (which a percentage of Americans are known for, unfortunately) and he has not consider the thousands of lives he has risked with his act of “heroism”. To me if he was a “Whistle Blower” he would have faced the music here, there is certainly enough lawyers and supporters for his cause. He wouldnt have a problem finding funding for his legal team.
     
  • Nick: If he’s such a fighter for democracy, why isn’t he exposing the injustices in Russia?
     
  • Carl: He deserves a very small cell for a very long time.
     
  • Samantha: Traitor.
     
  • Hugh: If convicted, he should be shot. He is a traitor and a coward.
     
  • Karl: So do people simply not watch Front Line?
     
  • They discussed the Room 641A something like 6 years ago now. Fully explained at that time what was taking place with our email and web activity being intercepted…..
     
  • Right on TV for everyone to see. Not sure why there was shock when Snowden said the same thing.
     
  • Joe: I guess he did what was right? He couldn’t just go to a newspaper and give them a handfull of papers that proved his point? Gone to a GOP committee and share his info… They would have loved the information to use against Obama….But to turn over millions of pages of information to the world that could have may still have people’s lives at risk is a traitors move.
     
  • Martel: Edward Snowden has only provided proof of everything we already knew. — Independent (OR)
     
  • Karen: He deserves to be executed.
     
  • Nick: Snowden should be given the highest possible honors…and then executed for being a traitor!
     
  • Murf : What else could they say? NPR needs to say the same thing.
     
  • Michael : Clemency? What a joke. He deserves life imprisinment
     
  • Jacob : A whistle blower (whistle-blower or whistle blower) is a person who exposes misconduct, alleged dishonest or illegal activity occurring in an organization. The alleged misconduct may be classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule, regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud, health and safety violations, and corruption. Whistle blowers may make their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower
     
  • Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information. Espionage is inherently clandestine, as it is taken for granted that it is unwelcome and, in many cases illegal and punishable by law. It is a subset of intelligence gathering, which otherwise may be conducted from public sources and using perfectly legal and ethical means. It is crucial to distinguish espionage from intelligence gathering, as the latter does not necessarily involve espionage, but often collates open-source information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage
     
  • Snowden’s intent may have been to blow the whistle, but when he downloaded vast amounts of information and revealed it, he committed espionage. He remove himself from the country and took the information to escape the laws of the United States. He had other options, he took the course that offered personal gain and not patriotic intent. He is a man without a country, his motives are in question, and his act represents grandstanding. He is also unrepentant.
     
  • Christopher : Do you think he is the first one to try to blow the whistle on the NSA? There were three before Snowden, and they were ineffective
     
  • Anna : the movie “Public Enemy” with Will Smith and Gene Hackman is of 1998…are we really sure that the little Snowden revealed things that none in the world knew, before getting a Russian bank account kindly offered by Putin?
     
  • Ginnie : NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Traitor!!! He is Chinese!!
     
  • Joe : We don’t know what we don’t know. How many operatives and allies were exposed due to this man’s treason? And how many died because of it? Is he really a hero, or just another Aldrich Ames?
     
  • Steve : Seriously, the next time a star goes up on the wall at Langley, you can probably thank Mr. Ed.
     
  • Kris : Your a traitor for being so submissive.
     
  • Adam : I love the idiots that believe he should turn himself in. If you can’t see that all he wanted for you and himself was FREEDOM! Surrendering hs elf to this corrupt government would with absolute certainty end his own . You idiot!
    The comparison between business collecting data to sell you things and the government collecting data to incriminate you are completely different. Unless of course you believe Walmart has the power to come to your home seize you and your property and put you somewhere no one will ever hear from you again.
     
  • Matt : whistle blowers are criminals in the USA
     
  • Harry : maybe if he had ONLY released info on the nsa collecting americans data but he didnt. he wanted to make an illegal political statement. tough cookies. enjoy russia, land of the free.
     
  • Susan Hunt This man signed a contract promising not to divulge secrets he was trusted with. He spied on the NSA and stole secret documents and files. Then he ran away and distributed them. This was a deliberate spying operation. Now he’s world famous (infamous). There should be NO pardon for this traitor.
     
  • Carl : Saint and sinner……next stop federal court
     
  • Darrell : Sharing information is one thing but putting our country at a security risk is another. We all know we live in a different world and there are eminent threats we don’t even hear about. NSA hasn’t been perfect but I’m sure they’ve saved us fom some very threatening situations which doesn’t even make the news.
     
  • DL : ha! Like no one in the Bush administration ever heard of or covered up Haliburton? That is the most egregious abuse of power and government corruption…. An entire war was started on behalf of Haliburton, despite the Vice President’s financial involvement in that company!
    I know people CAN’T have been surprised we are being monitored. That’s what analytics is all about! Anytime you’re online, they’re collecting data. Still, I’m glad to know for sure, but I HATE how he did it- exposing the USA and possibly endangering lives, running around with US secrets and leaking them to the governments of other countries? No- he deserves punishment for this. No thank you from me- no clemency from the US government or authorities.
     
  • Tim : Disagree with giving clemency.
     
  • Wayne : the fact is we have a chance to be a better country because of what he did. if no one spoke up the spying would have continued and gotten worse. of course it might have anyway
     
  • Amy : Seriously? I expect more from NPR and those who comment. He is a traitor. Period. You don’t like how your government is run? Actively get involved. Did people REALLY not see this as a logical conclusion to all of the patriot act stuff?? I didn’t hear many complaints about it at the time but it is shocking now? All he did was weaken a nation. As for your rights, pay attention when laws are being passed.
     
  • Austin : Uh, I remember the entire country complaining about our rights being taken away while the idiot in the White House at a time ignored the entire country. Furthermore, that was meant to be for terrorists and people suspected of terrorism, not all US citizens.
     
  • Chris : I hope Snowden releases everything he has. The US government is full of corruption. “At no time was the Obama regime aware of what the Obama regime is doing.” NSA = No Such Amendment.
     
  • Erick : I see that youi’re just as misinformed as many others are about the NSA. Do you not realize that the NSA spying started when Bush was in office? Bush was the President, along with the endorsement of Congress, gave the green light for the NSA to operate!
     
  • Chris : I’m “misinformed?” Is that some liberal buzzword to make yourself appear better than me? You must be “misinformed” on how long Obama has been president. Do you know how long he has been president? I know you voted for him. You’re black, over 90% of blacks voted for the half black president. I do enjoy the standard, blame Bush response. Come up with something that is applicable to today. Stop living in the past.
     
  • Jose : I think the media should keep their own views to themselves, siding with snowden makes them biased! I don’t want to hear someone opinion, I want to hear the news and make up my own mind.
     
  • Randall : He deserves a metal but we already know that government’s can’t be trusted.
     
  • Michele : Not a chance! He committed treason! If he wanted to be a whistle blower he might have considered doing it here, then he could be touted a “hero.” maybe.
     
  • Jacob : I love how people are calling him a hypocrite, when it’s obvious that if he’d blown the whistle in the U.S., or to any of the U.S.’s cronies, he would have been captured/killed in a matter of days. He’s an enemy of the state by simply letting his fellow citizens know that the state is violating their rights. What the fuck are people complaining about?!
     
  • Jessica : Then put on a uniform and defend it, to me he is a coward. He ran and deserves no consideration or sympathy from me.
     
  • Dave : It is ridiculous to think that people are thanking this guy. He was entrusted with handling sensitive information in the interest of our national security and he betrayed that trust. Do you think the surveillance program was the only thing he gave up? He has disclosed classified information to both China and Russia, on God knows what, only to save his own ass and avoid federal prosecution in the US. This man is a traitor and a disgrace to our nation.
     
  • David : Where is the left ? Obama + Bush = the same
     
  • James : Two presidents (if not more) broke laws made by the people in order to protect us from graver dangers. Edward Snowden did no different when he informed the people of unconstitutional actions taken by the state even though in doing so he broke the law. Clemency must be given.
     
  • Tracy : Wow! He went about it the wrong way be turning on his country. He should of brought it to the people instead of there enemies. His approach demeaned his intention, and in fact, showed the world that his agenda was truly to deceive his country. We the people are the United States of America, and he was not acting in the interest of my well being or yours.
     
  • Fera : I’m 23 & glad he “blew the whistle” seems like a lot of people on this post hate freedom, are brainwashed, and will be disappointed to learn this is “our time” (Younger generations)
     
  • We won’t stand for it
    Stop pursuing this hero
     
  • Martha : He ran to our enemy, and put our country in jeopardy. He needs to stay in Russia. He’s a Traitor.
     
  • Cezar : I’m glad there is finally some support for this man. I believe he gave up his freedom and his life as he knew it to do us, the people and residents of the U.S.A. a service. He has shown the world how power is abused in this land and how close we may be to potential tyranny.
     
  • Roxann : He deserves to be punished
     
  • James : Keeping the public in ignorance is the tool of power! The spin put out when the cover is blown is to destroy the exposer! We MUST learn to take in the facts as they are in big picture format before discounting the messenger!
     
  • Jason : “Give all power to the many, they will oppress the few. Give all power to the few, they will oppress the many.” Alexander Hamilton, 1787
          “There are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money.” Benjamin Franklin, 1787
          “From the nature of man, we may be sure that those who have power in their hands…will always, when they can…increase it.” George Mason, 1787
     
  • Craig : Snowden is a true patriot, most of those in Washington are self-serving cowards, the same corruption cycle creeps that develop in every civilization once it betrays it founding principles. Humans and institutions are innately corruptible, principles pale against the realization that life is finite and the only paradise we’ll ever experience is in this life and not in some imaginary beyond. Corruption is the norm over time, most people are cowards when facing the onslaught of time. Bradley, Snowden, and Assange are all heroes in my book, statesmen sick of the business as usual paradigm. Sometimes the technicalities of law must be broken so that fairness and true justice can be reclaimed.
          The prosecutors are the criminals in this case, aren’t we all sick yet of the ‘just following orders’ excuse of the Nazis during WWII? Conscience counts and history will reveal that to be true. Let’s start being forward visionaries and not clueless delusional rulers looking in the rear view mirror. Bradley, Snowden, and Assange are the messengers, focus on the message and stop crucifying those who illuminate the darkness that hides lies and frauds, misdeeds and broken social contracts. Power to the people, not the selfish sociopathic few.
     
  • Christian : Exile or jail.
     
  • Carlos : He is a traitor, period. His disclosure of our spying on other countries is proof of that. His asking for asylum in Russia proves his hypocrisy.
     
  • Steven : Anybody know the word “treason”?
     
  • Will : Your very civil rights under the Constitutions have been abrogated, but nobody seems to mind nor notice the significance of what Snowden has pointed out. Those who abet this wholesale perversion of the law deserve no better than to live in a totalitarian state.
     
  • Tish : So who among the GWBush Congress, Cabinet and vast network of security personnel are going to jail for 1) passing the Patriot Act; 2) implementing it; 3) pushing the boundaries of it as far as possible????? Decrying the use of it is NOT enough!!!
     
  • Mark : NO…. He most certainly does not!!! He is a traitor to the United States PERIOD!!!!!
     
  • Mary : He deserves to go to jail. He broke the law.
     
  • Karen : I totally disagree. I’m a government employee, and if I disagree about what my employer is doing, I don’t just get to substitute my judgment for theirs. I’m disappointed in the NY Times.
     
  • Tom : He is a coward
     
  • Glenn : The man is a traitor…
     
  • Richard : Agreed! I’d rather see the Koch Sucker Brothers declared traitors. Snowden exposed the NSA’s perfidy and deserves a medal, not exile.
     
  • Juan : I say bring him to the U S n let him be tried by a jury of his peers. If he is found innocent than he can go anywhere in the world. What do u all think?
     
  • Dawn : wait til he gets to federal pen then he’ll know abuses
     
  • Thomas : Shouldn’t his photo be under the bus with the country he betrayed?
     
  • Mark : He’s a traitor, not a hero and deserves to be treated like a traitor.
     
  • Tom : Traitors deserve the ultimate sentence.
     
  • Robyn : As well as exposing our Lame-ass ‘Media’ here in USA. Shameful.
     
  • Arthur : If we ever have another terrorist attack on U.S. soil because of new limits, causing we didn’t know it was coming, you could then thank Mr. Snowden. All of you behind the Great Snowdon, how many apps do you have on your phones? All are gathering data to sell you sh*t, not to protect your country.
          Fools!! You don’t have own a phone, nor have internet, if you’re concerned w/privacy. Our Founding Fathers had neither. Wake-up folks!!!
     
  • Donnie : Are his actions directly changing our politics and policies? Yes.
     
  • Wally : Hero and Traitor are terms probably too strong on both ends of the spectrum: Snowden mishandled important sensitive information and decided to grab publicity for himself, then when he realized what big trouble he was in, fled to a ‘friendly’ totalitarian regime for protection.
     
  • Jd : 1984 was supposed to be 30 YEARS AGO!!!!!
     
  • Robert : A whistle-blower is someone who takes info to a higher authority. A traitor goes country to country bargaining with them. When the CIA takes him out then justice is done.
     
  • Craig : Damn right he does! true patriot!
     
  • Nat : No clemency….let him live in Russia…home of the free, er um…whatever!!
     
  • Sylvia : No clemency for traitors. That’s what he is, a traitor.
     
  • Bernie : wonder how Snowden intends to prevent the next 9/11 sitting in Russia ??
     
  • Mike : Snowden is a true patriot holding the highest ideals of America above the obligations to his out-of-control bosses. Your USB cable, the spy: Inside the NSA’s catalog of surveillance magic arstechnica.com
     
  • Keefe : I see an awful lot of people here confusing “Government” and “Constitution”
          The two are not one and the same. The former often works very diligently to subvert the latter, and it’s always up to the public to hold a high bar to said government, and not give it a free pass.
     
  • Samantha : Is this really about our country? Shouldn’t citizens of all nations be against any governments who do this kind of thing? Power is shifting in the direction of educated denizens– it’s our responsibility to take it and hold our governments accountable for their behavior.
     
  • Nick : A REAL SMUCK. A MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY.
     
  • Michael : Firing squad.
     
  • Nicholas : We would have been clueless without his whisleblowing
     
  • Erick : Only a fool would be clueless about the government not spying on its citizens! How else are we going to keep the nation safe from terrorists???
     
  • Michael : He’s a hero. It blows my mind when people say otherwise. It’s incredibly frustrating. HE’S A TRAITOR HAR HAR HAR. Those who support the NSA have done NO reading whatsoever. Our country is pathetic.
     
  • Kathie : Many who have exposed government abuses have been called Traitors… not always the case! Check those judgements. I respect those who give up their lives to expose abuses like these!
     
  • Stephen : Petition signed and $$$ donated Let’s get these on EVERY bus in DC! #AmericanHero
     
  • Jeff : Oh good, another moron to deplete the gene pool even further
     
  • Stephen : Brilliant retort Jeff! If only I was as well educated as you, then I wouldn’t need to resort to unsupported ad-hominem attacks as my only means of debate…. oh, wait…
     
  • Samantha : Question: what is the “right” way to expose abuses?
     
  • Nicholas : Pardon him, if he didn’t speak up the Orwellian madness would still be behind the curtain. Also anyone believing in such a wide scale surveillance would be labeled a conspiracy theorist
     
  • Paul : Snowden: Traitor!
     
  • Joe : Deserves 2 bullets in the head.
     
  • Rick : He’s a hero.
     
  • Fred : Snowden deserves 20 yrs in a nice cell.
     
  • Simone : Yes, at least give him his home. Jail for the ones that ordered the violation.
     
  • Natalie : What about Bradley Manning?
     
  • Michael : Accused? He’s admitted it. Right or wrong, a spade is a spade NPR.
     
  • Matt : If he get clemency then I want some of my damn freedoms back.
     
  • Alan : Now he’s exposed on Busses.
     
  • Jonathan : He should be pardoned and given a medal.
     
  • Erick : …and then given three bullets to the forehead for good behavior !!!
     
  • Jonathan : Wait, you want the man to die because he exposed things that should have never happened? What kind of violent bastard are you?
     
  • Mandrake : No the NSA can’t “do what they want” to keep me safe. They can’t violate my rights and they can’t operate in secret which is exactly what the NSA has been doing – even hiding their actions from Congress
     
  • Lauren : Snowden left the country to try and avoid becoming like the other whistle blowers. Quietly found guilty and put in prison. He went everywhere and contacted many countries, no one would take him, then Russia said they would take him if he stopped sharing any information he had. People, please get your facts straight so that you might actually know what you’re talking about. Spying on your own citizens is wrong. It’s also part of a larger picture where the American government can use any information they have on someone, spin it to meet their needs, and then use their “evidence” to put someone in prison just because they want to. Maybe they didn’t like a journalist that was reporting on corporations giving money to politicians and how much was given by each and who the money went oosi’m vvhgvuukkinistrfttT .””@!!and they didn’t like him doing that. Ythey have drones that aren’to just killing the person they were targeting, they ‘re killing a lot of civilians, and people’s hatred for America has grown exponentially as a result.
     
  • Christopher : BS to people who claim that the NSA did everything within the law. Go read
     
  • Jane : Both the NYT and the Guardian have financial reasons to keep this entire saga going.
     
  • Suzanne Tyrrell For what?
     
  • Leslie : He is a TRAITOR.
     
  • LaRonda : He is a traitor. Not a frigging hero.
     
  • Larry : he must come home and stand before a jury of his peers. only they can decide. if he really believes in US he will justify his actions our way, in our face. If not? He is just another Rosenburg and his crime is Treason.
     
  • John : Stand trial and let a jury decide, or hide in one bastion of human rights after another.
     
  • Cait : Dig deeper, there is way more to this story.
     
  • Björn : Outrage should be directed at the crimes exposed, not the messenger!
     
  • Elena : There are people who are heroes to the people and they are celebrated, Edward Snowden is a hero to the people who is probably not done being vilified yet. Just imagine if he had stayed silent.
     
  • Mike : Posting as a top level rather than a reply, Many seem to think Snowed’s letter to Brazil was an attempt to sell out the nation. Others cite his path of through “China and Russia” as evidence of treason
    • 1) He was avoiding extradition by passing through non-extradition nations that his passport allowed him to travel through to get from Hawaii to Argentina.
    • 2) His first stop was a layover in Hong Kong… I suggest you read the history of Hong Kong and it’s relationship with the PRC, it will be enlightening.
    • 3) His Passport was revoked as he was attempting to get to Argentina. This left him stranded at the airport during a layover in Moscow. He is in Russia because the US State Department stuck him there.
    • 4) As to his “open letter” The news blatantly misrepresented Snowden’s letter and those citing it did not read it. Snowden offered assistance to Brazil regarding NSA Spying on Brazilian citizens “”wherever appropriate and lawful” So…. not a trade of secrets. He also stated that he would be at risk until someone gave him asylum, not as a quid-pro-quo, just a statement of fact.

    Ed Snowden Sends Open Letter To Brazil… Which The Press Blatantly Misrepresents
     

  • Erik : And the truth should set him free!
     
  • Marlys : Bring him back and try him for treason!
     
  • Meester : if some folks want to play James Bond that’s their affair…
     
  • Dain : He revealed the process, not the information obtained through it.
     
  • Phil : Didn’t scooter Libby got an EXECUTIVE CLEMENCY PARDON, in the outing of a CIA AGENT?!?!
     
  • Phil : Snowden took my jeeeeb!
     
  • Rabia : Bring him home
     
  • Erick : I agree: Bring him home so that we can execute him by lethal injection! I like that thought…and proper punishment for a traitor!
     
  • Rabia : Oh you are into killing people, yikes! I am grateful he was a whistle blower, we need people who will tell Americans when the government is doing wrong. He didn’t sell any secrets to Russian or China he released it to Americans
     
  • Millie : What exactly makes this guy a traitor? What the government is doing is illegal!
     
  • Travis : Of course its bad to have to spill what our government is doing publicly; but if it was doing things correctly we would not have to have this sort of thing happen in the first place. Do you think the guy really wanted to “toss his life away” and live in Russia of all places for potentially the rest of his life? Why would anyone do such a thing if not for the greater good?
     
  • Todd : It’s one thing to expose secrets to an enemy, it’s another thing to expose abuse & lies to those the very agency is painted as protecting.
     
  • Susie : Traitor!!!!!
     
  • Ann : No use for him at all…at all.
     
  • Cole : But not you NPR. No not you. You believe in, strongly support, and refuse (pretty much) to report on the Surveillance State.
     
  • Damon : still time to add his and Bradley Manning’s execution to the Superbowl Halftime Show
     
  • David : that would be interesting…
     
  • Ellen : pathetic
     
  • Amanda : thank you snowden ! nothing but respect for his knowledge! xoxo thee American People.com
     
  • Pete : And created a lot of other security problems. But, that’s alright. Maybe we will get into another war or two.
     
  • Marc : The 4th Estate should remain the 4th Estate and stop wandering and meddling in government business. Their job is to report, not to be social activists.
     
  • David : He wants to call the USA to task for abusing our civil liberties yet he flees to Russia, that bastion of human rights.
     
  • Cynthia : I am an American. My ancestors fought so I could have freedom. Now the government wants to take that freedom away and you say it is for my good? Welcome to Communion under Stalin.
     
  • Olim : Did I only mistakenly read it fcuk you Edward Snowden ?
     
  • Jim : He is a traitor and also a coward. He needs to come home and deal with this. He also is a liar because if he was truthful and not hired under the previous administration he never would have made it past the initial background checks. What next ask for us to pay for him to become a women? Oh wait wrong spy.
     
  • Brenda : everyone should boycott Metrobus
     
  • Karol : Freedom in American, that is a fallacy. The government tracks us through the internet, telephone, traffic cameras, cameras on every building everywhere, our money is taken via taxes and given to corporations, foreign countries, etc. God help you if you fall on hard times after years of working!
          We are just Fu*ked!
     
  • Shayne : History will prove him to be a true patriot for exposing the sickness eating away at AMERICA. If he comes back do you really believe he’ll get a public trial? No way! He’ll be locked up in Cuba and never heard from again. Leak it all !!!
     
  • FoodMob : About time that what many are thinking is being stated publicly.
     
  • Jonathan : The New York Times — which sold us the Iraq war?
     
  • Martin : Take for your home this compulsive depressive psychopath!
     
  • Catherine : Yes he didn’t. But he also did it the wrong way and exposed state secrets and put lives in danger. So he’s still no hero.
     
  • Audrey : wow, thats pretty powerful. especially for newspapers to say!
     
  • Katie : The entire point is that we are a nation of laws. Not of your opinions. That IS the big picture.
          then you change the system. Allowing people to pick and choose what laws to follow based on personal taste will result in pure chaos.
     
  • Billie : I think he should be tried for treason
     
  • Chris : Sounds like a Movement?! Power to the People!
     
  • Nick : SNOWDEN IS AN O.G.
     
  • Ernie : Reading the comments here reminds me of politics in Washington…polarizing rhetoric from both points of view
     
  • Renato : ask yourself this question.. what have you accomplished that’s considered beneficial to the humanity at this point in time? Do you really have the guts to do what he had done? educate yourself first before you bubble your mouth..Elias j moor.
     
  • Chase : he did increase sales
     
  • Joshua : And the newspapers are right.
     
  • Jonathan : Clemency for the leak but not for taking government property to China, he still deserves jail time for that.
     
  • Humberto : He is an irresponsible idiot. Freed comes with responsibilities.
     
  • Armando : Traitor
     
  • Brett : as the terrorists and criminals move talks to the dark web…
     
  • Mike : hmmm- wait, they’ve been making sure to give a pulpit to a whole cast of characters from the administration claiming he was anything but a whistle-blower. Claims they reported without challenge or comment. They’ve done it for months. And now I’m supposed to go to a web site to “Thank Snowden”?
          Should I applaud them for finally starting to do their goddamn jobs while I’m at it ?!?!.
          Of course, the Times & Guardian have nothing to say about Bradley/Chelsea Manning, mostly because he didn’t give the info to them so they could make money off of it.
     
  • Martin : He may or may not be a hero, but he will receive NO clemency from the US Government. Good luck Snowden. If you one back, it will be a SUPERMAX for you.
     
  • Reuben : Naw. Let him suffer.
     
  • Mary : I’m torn. I grew up during Watergate, so want transperency. But if he is to be a patriot, why go to Russia?! Looks more like a Traitriot!
     
  • Jim : Exposing abuses is fine, if you do not do it in away that is criminal and damages the national defense.
     
  • Lauren : Agreed!! He did something “wrong” for the right reasons. He definitely deserves clemency. Then we need to turn our attention to the abuses he exposed and do something about them. Those are the people that did something wrong.
     
  • Mark : Support from the media that profited from your info delivered to China & Russia. Bastions of freedom! Rot in Russia!!!!
     
  • AbQurai : The way to Thank him is to take all those that are responsible for breaking the basic Laws, even if it is the President of US of A and the other cronies on both sides of the isle. And finally be given a pardon to Snowden for letting the Cat out and not some stupid rule or law as a traitor.
     
  • Dustin : I am 100% sure that the national dialogue this event has incited is a great thing. Citizens should be able to discuss whether they want their government conducting this kind of surveilance. These decisions were made by a very small group of people in a bubble. Not sure whether he deserves clemency at this point but I am certain that our government’s, and particularly President Obama’s, long history of penalizing and villifying whistle-blowers probably played a large role in Snowden’s decision to hand information over to foreign entities.
     
  • Kenneth : He had no right to steal government secrets. He should get life in prison!
     
  • Jeremiah : I also don’t understand why people are upset that Edward Snowden broke the law but no one cares that James Clapper lied under oath to Congress and it was so obvious that he was lying. Nothing is happening to him.
     
  • Jeremiah : There were no whistle blower protections for contractors. He did this to expose the NSA constitutional violations. He did not sell the information to any enemies. He is a true American. I hope he can return home one day. I hate the idea that the federal government is watching/listening to everyone and storing everything in the name of “security”. I certainly don’t feel any more secure with the NSA violating our privacy and civil rights.
     
  • Stephanie : … What the hell did Snowden ever do for us? Moreover, is there a single person who liked this post who knows even the basic gist of how the intelligence community operates? This is not the same as watching all of the Bourne movies, or even a LOT of msnbc….
     
  • Suzette : Still think he did more harm than good and he is a traitor.
     
  • Matt : Hence the problem with opinionated journalism. The press is too stupid and egos are too large to realize the effects of his actions. Want to make a difference? Follow MLK, Ghandi, Mandela. If he was a citizen of any other nation, he would have been dead before the story dropped. His life is his reward.
     
  • Mark : Who will forgive him when your” American way of life ” is taken from you and your family by some Radical Nation that has used the information he has shared ?
     
  • Shelley : Hens … Deserves to spend the rest of his life in Russia and never set foot on us soil unless it’s in a jail. Traitor!
     
  • Donna : “I didn’t want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself.” – Edward Snowden
     
  • Jenny : If he stayed they would have killed him. This way he only gets the Valerie Plame
     
  • Andrea : Well…I think he made his bed hard by running away. He should have stayed in the country and he would have had a much better case for leniency. But he ran away to escape the consequences of his actions, which makes him only halfway the brave person he claims to be. And how could the government enforce anything like this going forward if it gives him a pass? This would undermine the laws, which, like it or not, they are supposed to enforce and make them look very weak. Ain’t gonna happen.
     
  • Matthew : Abuses is a very mild word for the craziness that we’ve let our spying agencies get away with.
     
  • David : lets keep the wave going this year folks. it gonna turn into a bit of a battle but i think we could get there. the NSA are rotten to the core. The public know this now.
     
  • Caroline : Perhaps the reforms could have happened without the stealing of files? Any other employer would have prosecuted him.
     
  • Kris : You dinosaurs are relics from a by gone era with your stolid views on this subject. How could you elderly loons be so fucking obtuse?
     
  • Kris : Deserving and getting clemency is two different things. Realistically, even if the govt offered clemency he would disappear as soon as he set foot on american soil, never to be heard from again.
     
  • Diane : Very tired of all news about this self-effacing, uneducated thief.
     
  • Mel : Clemency?!?! Wow….
     
  • Josh : It needed to be brought into the public’s attention and it wouldn’t have happened any other way.
     
  • Tim : Snowden is no hero.
          If you didn’t know the NSA was listening, you head was in the sand, or you were whistling in the dark.
     
  • Debby : Snowden is full of it – not surprised the media is on his side since they’re culpable in the “leaks”
     
  • Monali : He chose to leave. Let him stay in Russia, maybe he can hack into their security systems and experience their wrath.
     
  • Yogi : Democracy is a work in progress, it needs to be continually worked at against subversion, both by “Big Brother” forces & the klepto-military industrial complex.
     
  • Emory : Traitor!! Nothing more…nothing less.
     
  • Quinn : I don’t understand why people are so incapable of differentiating between what he did and the way he did it.
     
  • Ed : He’s dead meat. It’s called treason. Complete coward.
     
  • Renee : He is a traitor. He sold to the highest bidder. If it was about our freedoms, he would have blown the whistle in a different way. You know they way that means you don’t run to other countries known to be slack on human rights. Maybe that is not a freedom he cares about.
     
  • George : Someone’s bad guy is always someone’s savior.
     
  • Renee : He is a traitor!
     
  • Ellis : How can this guy be a “spy” when he wasn’t spying for any country, organization or person? Bad headline, NPR.
     
  • Michael : He should be hung. Treason is punishable by death
     
  • Jeff : Did you really think they weren’t listening?????
     
  • Teresa : Do you people not understand the risk he has placed on Americans? He can stay in hiding.
     
  • Victor : snowden deserves clemency? no. snowden deserves a nomination in a Nobel award
     
  • Maria : Agree!!! He’s a hero in my eyes! He gave up his ‘life’ for this and we should be thankful.
     
  • Juan : I say…. let him come to the USA on the condition he stands before a fair Jurry of his peers. And when he is found innocent we let him go with a million dollars….. that’s fair
     
  • Jurema : Fact: he is a traitor.
     
  • James : Sick and insulting!
     
  • Eric : Traitor!! Throw him under the prison!! Maybe a firing squad….
     
  • Dwight : Thank You, Edward Snowden. The people are with you!
     
  • James : I don’t agree with that bus. Will just serve to inflate his ego.
     
  • Mike : If he was such a hero he would have stayed in America & faced up to his actions he sold us out you can’t break a story to the American people without letting the rest of the world in on the secret & if u didn’t assume you were being watched before snowden u must have just crawled out from under a rock
     
  • Daniel : Edward Snowden did not tell me anything I did not already know. Most of his so called leaks were nothing more than patriot act applied to everyone, which should come as no surprise to anyone who was cogent when that atrocity to the republic was passed. The New York times is just getting good publicity, they are one of the most crooked publications ever, so spare my your appreciation for the US constitution, you bunch of hypocrites!
     
  • Raul : This thread is full of garbage. He is a traitor. He endangers all of us. Even if you conspiracy-minded fools can’t see it.
     
  • John : Traitor.
     
  • Laura : Snowden seems to me like a destructive, egomaniacal punk – but who knows…
     
  • James : There were better ways of doing what Edward did. Not thanking him what so ever.
     
  • Martin : The information was not his to take and disclose to our enemies to begin with. No clemency.
     
  • Gael : I’m happy to have been informed about the extent of abuses of our government so we can reign in power. Those calling Snowden a traitor would have made good Tories in the revolutionary war or great confederates, defending the plantation owners.
     
  • Dwayne : Traitor! No leniency!
     
  • Erik : Dude should be put to death.. idc what secrets he revealed . Snitching is snitching he put every american in danger
     
  • Barbara : But didn’t his reporting put our military at risk?
     
  • Matthew : What is this “right way” many of you speak of? Any of these “right ways” include you and me knowing what was leaked? I’ll bet they all include me and you never hearing a peep about Ed Snowden, kinda defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?
     
  • Claudia : Why didn’t he go through the correct channels? How many lives has he cost from breaking procedure? And frankly, how much of our otherwise private lives are exposed and exploited by financial and retail marketing?
     
  • Marjorie : I agree!!!
     
  • Dan : Seriously, he did what he had to do. When the highest authority is the criminal, where do you go to whistle blow? He didn’t sell this information to any foreign nation he sought asylum there from the criminal government he was exposing. If we flipped this and the NSA was the KGB we would be welcoming him with open arms and saying he was a hero for freedom. There was no way for him to do this without being exposed so anonymity was impossible. I commend the guy for exposing our blatantly criminal NSA for shitting all over the constitution as it has been.
     
  • Erick : Yep! Thanks Edward. Now you are a man without a country and currently live in one of the worst countries on the planet! You did really good for yourself!
     
  • Pat : He deserves a rope
     
  • Missy : The Hell he does!! stupid F*ker put this country at risk!
     
  • Erick : it flusters me at the people who fail to realilze the point that you just made. Snowden put this country at risk! I can’t believe that his supporters are too stupid to see that FACT!
     
  • Richard : We need more rigorously honest traitors
     
  • Joe : Interesting they would say thank you….
     
  • Leslie : Hero? Try ignorant, greedy scum.
     
  • Jim : If this flies and they are forced to let him slide he will meet with misadventure very soon.
     
  • Micah : Accused spy has also gotten a lot of people killed.
     
  • Cheryl : True test of the court of public opinion.
     
  • Shaun : Their dead wrong just to provoke thought nothing more. New york times and the guardian have been losing readers and money for years.
     
  • Michael : I’m suspicious the NSA is adding anyone who puts their information into that site on their watch list. Heck, I wouldn’t put it past them to actually be running the site.
     
  • Nicholas : Pardon, he is a hero … Pardon him, we need more transparency. The only way we won’t go Orwellian is folks like him speaking up.
     
  • Lance : True patriot and American hero who put himself on the line and sacrificed much for his country. He wants to come back home as a free man and he deserves that. Our own government was clearly lying to us, to secure their own abuse of power. They r the ones who have broken our trust and caused the damage to our national security, not Edward Snow.
     
  • Lynn : A traitor to our government? maybe.. A traitor to the American people? Definitely not. When loyalty to one does not equal loyalty to the other, the government is not on our side. He didn’t do it the right way? He went to his bosses multiple times and they blew him off. The head of the NSA lied to congress and Feinstein and friends want to sweep it under the rug. Tell me, what should he have done? It’s an almost perfect shield. Make it illegal to expose someone doing something illegal.
     
  • Curtis : Of course he does. He’s a patriot on the level of Washington and Jefferson.
     
  • Nicholas : An Oliver Stone film on Snowden would set the record straight!
     
  • Valerie : Anyone who released confidential information of their employer is subject to being fired and/or prosecution. Do it and see what happens to you. You won’t be considered a hero…
     
  • Patrick : A plea bargain perhaps but he broke the law. He has to account for himself. In a society of laws, even flawed laws, the ultimate arbiter cannot be any person who thinks a law is unjust. He needs to pay a price. He should man up and face the medicine if he’s such a hero. As it is he’s ironically hold up in perhaps the worst example of a surveillance state in the history of the world.
     
  • Myra : Mr. Snowden should have picked a profession…he knew what he was getting into when he was sworn in to what he was doing for a living….he should never never be allowed in the US. If Americans are so ignorant to think that other countries don’t so the same to us???? Wow really….China??? Seriously ….Russia?????
     
  • Myra : It is not the NSA that is screwing us….billions of dollars are spent on trying to keep other countries (that are our bed fellows) out of our finical systems…1′s and 0′s….!!!
     
  • Tao : People become stupid when they have lost their mind. Period.
     
  • William : the man aided and abetted our enemies in a time of war- he committed treason. Kill him-now
     
  • Michelle : Hero! Thank you Snowden.
     
  • Erick : Yep! I hope you enjoy totalitarian run Russia, Snowden!
     
  • Susan : for Dana Kennedy’s reaction -
     
  • Deb : Just one question: If a Russian citizen had done to Russia what Edward Snowden has done to the U.S. — where would he be now???
     
  • David : In Mexico with an ice pick in his head… Or in a London graveyard after getting done in with plutonium.
     
  • Jøshua : Remember who he sold the government out to. Would you consider yourself an enemy that seeks to do the country harm?
     
  • Rebecca : What a load! Snowden you have info they need dont you? Screw them! If your not part of the solution Youre part of the problem.
     
  • Ted : He chose to expose them by ignoring two vehicles for reporting that did not include exposing that information through non-US citizens.
     
  • Christopher : I think it is time for me to send some money to the ACLU Time to Rein in the Surveillance State
     
  • Christopher : NSA Email Collection Violated 4th Amendment: FISA Court
          According to formerly top-secret court opinions declassified this week, the National Security Agency has collected thousands of Americans’ emails in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
     
  • The NSA on Wednesday released three secret U.S. court opinions that revealed how, over the course of three years, agents collected as many as 56,000 emails and other domestic communications between Americans who had no connection to terrorism, The Washington Post reports.
     
  • The Fourth Amendment guarantees that all U.S. citizens are free from unreasonable searches and seizures, absent a warrant issued with probable cause. How did the NSA violate that guarantee, according to the court?
     
  • Christopher : I think Snowden demonstrated way more bravery than most of you are capable of…
     
  • Terri : Excuse me. If I deliberately go to a company and steal their stuff and either give it away or sell it that makes me a thief.
     
  • Charlotte : Had he not run to China, dumped information to them, then turned and run to Russia, I might feel more sympathetic towards him. As it is, he has gotten what he deserves.
     
  • Patricia : What a crock of you know what from those two publications. If one of their reporters would have exposed their crap and how they really run their operations that reporter would be run out of town on a rail. Give me a break…a traitor to the American people is a traitor. People could die because of this idiot! And then he runs to China and then Russia? where they executed Americans?? Oh yes bastions of democracy. This is what you sympathizers believe in? What the hell? The USA was attacked horribly by terrorists and we must protect ourselves. You think those countries aren’t doing the same kind of espionage and more and then saying shame on us???? Get REAL PEOPLE!!!
     
  • Rachael : Pardon him for stealing the secrets if ya want. And prosecute him for.what he sold to China and Russia
     
  • Rachael : Excuse me for not thanking someone who fled to china and russia and told them god only knows what….also on a personal level I find him self righteous and smug…..
     
  • Sebastiano : He deserves to be executed as a traitor.
     
  • Ro : Time to reign in the NSA
     
  • Norbert Zimpfer When it comes to Edward Snowden, what strikes me as strange is the fact, that by and large, Republicans, who are supposedly against an intrusive big government, would like to see the guy pretty much executed while a lot of Democrats think that his exposing the overreaches of our Government should warrant some form of punishment, but not as draconian as Republicans want. I for one think that he did this country a favor to the extent that he exposed a massive, unlawful surveillance of “free” Americans. Since his revelations, I do feel a lot more uneasy about our secret government activities, especially if they involve my personal privacy. If his “leaking” did cost any American his/her life or freedom, then yes, he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
     
  • Michael : BULLSHIT!! There is a right way to expose waste and inefficiency and the like…has always been there. DOING it the way he did is borderline treason.
     
  • Mary : This image is disgusting. I agree entirely with recent comments made by James Woolsey as to the consequences Snowden should face for the damage he has done to America’s national security.
          And for those among you who think Snowden is a hero, please explain why he chose to go to China and then to Russia—places where civil liberties are trampled by the government as a matter of public policy, to seek protection and then asylum and why he maintains that both China and Russia are defenders of civil liberties?
     
  • BD: he is a traitor…. if he was any other color you wouldn’t be saying this stupid shit. he stole shit from his employer and gave it to other people…. justify it anyway you want… he’s a fucking criminal
     
  • SA: A country that put a man in prison for speaking out against Putin were subjected everyday to unnecessary gynecological exams. They are arresting gays for acting gay, and now they took in Snowden out of the kindness of their hearts. Who could believe that bullshit? He traded our secrets for his safety.
     
  • DB: Snowden may have exposed the beginning of the fascist movement and threats to freedom. if Germany had had a Snowden un the 20,s, Hitler would never have won those elections and 66 millions people would not have died
     
  • AS: Clemency????? How about a Fucking Statue! GOD! Where are the Rest of the Americans??? Is there only ONE left out in Russia????
     
  • RS: Anyone who read the pariotic act saw this coming. If he would have just blew the whistle it would have been one thing. But he went to horrible repreasice regimes and sold out the america people. That is selfish and not something to be applauded. There is a righr and wrong path. He picked the hypocritical and wrong one.
     
  • Ursula: Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the NYTs and the Guardian would stop tracking their online readers and invading their privacy too?
     
  • Peter: Heroes don’t run and hide in communist enemy states, even so called reformed states.
     
  • Alim: screw you, edward snowden. how’s the kgb payroll working for you?
     
  • Glenn: New York Times are right about this. Thank Snowden for showing that are own Government is breaking its own laws.
     
  • Patricia: He should get a parade and a metal!!
     
  • Zach: He’s in it for the fame and be written into history. If he wasn’t he would have released it to a journalist after quietly disappearing into Ecuador.
     
  • Gail: The media wants this story so bad … They’re making up excuses to bring him back. Feeding frenzy is so obvious.
     
  • James: Edward Snowden: American HERO.
     
  • Dale: A whistle-blower works within the system. A criminal steals the info and only God knows who he sold it to. He deserves a cell.
     
  • Austin: He ran to Putin. I say again, Putin.
     
  • You know, Putin, that lovely Cold War KGB holdover who loves the United States.
     
  • Get a grip, people. His actions of exposing overreach within our government and fleeing to PUTIN can be separated. However, his actions after going public speak more to me than his going public with certain information. He played his cards wrong for me. Sorry, Snowden. Soviet winters or federal prison…which one would you like?
     
  • Erick: I really think that Snowden supporters/sympathizers are too foolish to know any better! Remember the old saying: You can’t fix stupid????
     
  • Austin: Amazing how so many here seemingly trust Putin and Russia over the United States. And you people think politicians are backward in their thinking!?
     
  • Nici: He had very bad execution. I think he ia a fame seeker and did not do it out of purity.
     
  • Vic: they bail out bankers and give wall street shysters a raise, not stand up for liberty… in the USA these days.
     
  • yuppies are wimps, in other words. lobbyists are kicking your ass, Americans.
     
  • Kathleen: Self satisfied, narcissistic, ego-maniacal, headline-seeking, traitor. This man had several channels for taking his concerns about violations of our rights but chose the most exploitive for his own grandiose publicity. No hero here.
     
  • Warren: Snowden, FREEDOM FIGHTER
     
  • Kevin: He knew the consequences for violation when he signed his contract. He took steps to circumvent those consequences, rather than stand against the charges to gain leniency and the protection of a court of law. He has shown he is undeserving of leniency, and should stand trial for his treasonous and cowardly actions. There are legal protections for whistleblowers, and if he wanted to be treated as such, he should have sought legal counsel in this country, rather than hiding in a foreign country.
     
  • Michael: The best way for a poilitically controversial fugure to stay safe is to stay in the public’s eye. The constant stream of videos keep people interested which keeps him safe.
     
  • Josue: He’s a traitor
     
  • Shaun: Truth is a crime
     
  • Humberto: If people die, get murdered or go to jail in foreign countries because of his “whistle-blowign” he should be charged and tried!
     
  • Michelle: Traitor!
     
  • Jay: If Snowden had stopped with the NSA spying on us I could forgive him . But so many other secrets have been released that his one great deed has been surpassed by hundreds of wrong deeds.
     
  • Eric: Oh wait…is the NSA following me now because I liked that?
     
  • Christine: pretty sure
     
  • Eric: Good. More people to listen to my absurd rants
     
  • Jay: Scumbag deserves to put up against a wall and shot.
     
  • Chris: Criminals trying to prosecute a hero….. oh, the irony
     
  • Bruce: In any case, we clearly need more whistle-blowers.
     
  • Scott: Traitor..fair trial..hanged!
     
  • Patrick: i’m pretty sure we already knew that he exposed abuses, but thank you for reiterating NPR. what the times and the guardian have done is taken sides with Edward Snowden, and i for one agree with their decision. i am not at all comfortable living in a surveillance state and someone had to say something who knew what was going on, for all our sakes. much like Jefferson, Adams, and Washington, they all did what was considered wrong, to do what they knew was right…….what they knew, was right. (thank you National Treasure for the quote)
     
  • Dan : He should have never split then. What a crock
     
  • Winifred: Woodward and Bernstein exposed abuses, too, by working within our nation’s system, not against it. It’s not what Snowden did – it’s the way he did it and he needs to be tried for treason.
     
  • Sonya: The real question here is “Why didn’t more of us object to this?”
     
  • Matt: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yes no, I am sure that he will get Clemency. Snowden has suffered, he has suffered enough. And now it is time to make him a world leader, like Mandela. Clearly Mandela died so that he could make way for Snowden.
     
  • Brad: Fourlights. Awesome name btw. It’s all a buncha sensationalistic talking heads, fighting to the death for a sliver of the commercial ratings market. Greed is the only God in this country. And yes, grant Snowden an unconditional pardon and apologize for being dicks.
     
  • Brian: Thank you Snowden! Ironically those who want to crucify Snowden for his “turning” on his country, have no problems (re)electing officials that sell us down the river AND take away our privacy and freedoms. At what point will you finally wake up to the atrocities of our government, those who are supposed to work FOR us, and PROTECT us, not spy on us?
     
  • Qian: new york times… such a joke
     
  • Alexandre: This guy will have great treatement from the historians.
     
  • Thomas: And the NSA snoops should be put in prison.
     
  • Jackie: No clemancy though!
     
  • Jackie: I have mixed emotions…
     
  • Lisa: Traitor! Punishable by death. Making decisions about anything, nevertheless something as important as national security, with one piece of the puzzle, is always bad. People cry, oh our privacy! And then complain when they suffer a terrorist attack…..which is it? You cannot have both.
     
  • Daniel Bona HERO!!!
     
  • Alexander: Lure him back
     
  • Debra: And now is exposed on buses.
     
  • Calvin: he open a can of worms and we all know the truth now on what was going on but the poor guy is a walking dead man it’s just a matter of time
     
  • Jeffrey: If he hadn’t been a coward an run away, I would be all for amnesty.
     
  • Jesse: Regarding Snowden – much more quickly than I could have imagined. I still believe that, as nationalist passions recede over the time, Manning will be recognized as well, though she has not seen the same bounce in support Snowden has (for obvious reasons).
     
  • Randal: Why can’t they give him a management job and let him clean house!
     
  • Cate: Sorry. He has the ability to do as he sees right, but if it is an illegal or an act of treason or treachery, he must be ready to pay the price for his actions. (And, it is not as if many other countries do not do the same things…not necessarily excusing it, but just saying…..)
     
  • Henry: Snowden is a traitor to his country, there are other way to expose or correct the issues…whistle blowers go to the authorities, not the media…he is a coward as well, because if he really believed he was doing the right thing he would be a man and accept his punishment like any other respectable one in his position would do.
     
  • Debby: I do not trust him at all… for some reason I do not see him as a hero.. not sure why..
     
  • Apryl: No he doesn’t. Traitor.
     
  • Arthur: Never! A traitor is a traitor is a traitor!
     
  • Vignaioli: He is an ASS and he should be jailed for life with no computer .
     
  • Paul: Are you kidding me? Amnesty, never.
     
  • Phil: by pardoning Snowden, US can redeem itself of the same bad name in the category of that of Stalin, Mao, etc.
     
  • Jon: Isn’t that what he was trying to do in the first place? Expose abuses… He is only a ‘spy’ cause the people he was exposing don’t want to be exposed, hrmmmm.
     
  • Ed: He deserves a trial followed by a firing squad…
     
  • Joann: No he does not, once a traitor always one.
     
  • Barbara: Traitor
     
  • Karl: Wake up people. That is what Snowden is saying. Wake the F up!!!!!!
     
  • Jan: Treason.
     
  • Rita: How disgusting!!
     
  • Ryan: “They who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
     
  • “Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight.” – Benny Frank.
     
  • Patricia: He is a traitor. He should come back to a trial and jail.
     
  • Pete: When anyone else exposes criminal acts, the acts are investigated. But I guess its completely different rules when the criminal is the president.
     
  • Linda: Not in this lifetime!! He is a Traitor!! Let him stay in Russia!!
     
  • Jason: Also our founding fathers worried about the power of government. So imagine we all decided no more we are taking it back and starting over, ummm wow could you imagine the destruction before the renewal? And Marshall law tends to snip that in the bud but…
    • Declaration of Independence “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”
    • Virginia Declaration of Rights, Section II “That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them”
    • Virginia Declaration of rights, Section III “whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal”
    • James Madison’s Introduction to the Bill of Rights “That the people have an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform or change their Government, whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purposes of its institution”
    • Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights and Constitution, “WHEREAS all government ought to be instituted and supported for the security and protection of the community as such, and to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and the other blessings which the Author of existence has bestowed upon man; and whenever these great ends of government are not obtained, the people have a right, by common consent to change it, and take such measures as to them may appear necessary to promote their safety and happiness”
    • Pennsylvania Declaration of Rights and Constitution Section V, “And that the community hath an indubitable, unalienable and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish government in such manner as shall be by that community judged most conducive to the public weal”)

     

  • Kris: He was a contractor not a military man so fuck the oath. Besides that, men take that “oath” to uphold the constitution of the united states and the rights of the people. They don’t swear an oath to der fuhrer. Fuckin statist pricks.
     
  • Kellie: Get a degree and I’ll give a couple of minutes of my day to presume your opinion is worth two s$$&s. He stole from work and betrayed his company and instead of being fired his company rules declare treason and he is a Benedict Arnold
     
  • Christian: NSA, gather all the data you want to save lives and kill off the killers, and build trust amongst allies and friends. NSA will adjust, under a fair & caring President
     
  • Randall: I like Snowden because he embarrassed Obama.
     
  • Charles: He likes Russia………make it easy for him to stay there
     
  • Yogi: The greatest experiment in “governing by the people”, is the USA. Long live this experiment!
     
  • only thing we have to fear is Fear itself”. In this case, our government seems to want to keep us in a state of excessive fear to erode away at our freedoms and acquire more control,power for themselves. We are not under constant attack, acting as such when we are not will lead to a breakdown of confidence in our govt. it’s happening now it seems.
     
  • Tony: He can’t get clemency unless he comes back lol. How do you show mercy to someone keeps running away from you?
     
  • David: Danger is a cost of freedom and is a rare terror event more or less dangerous to our lives than tyranny. We have been free so long some take it as a given .those in power would seize it in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it. What prevents them our constitution and an educated armed citizenry that would make the attempt very ugly.
     
  • William: All of this spying supposedly started after 9/11. I wonder is Snowden would get the same support or praise if he accomplished his mission a few weeks after the attack.
     
  • Orlando: Should these two organizations be charged for complicity… shame on you!!
     
  • Michelle: He ran to Russia! Russia! I do not agree with what the NSA was/is doing, but I personally view him as a traitor. Who runs to Russia!
     
  • Teresa: Really? I say, fuck you Snowden. Stay in Russia.
     
  • Rick: Bogus Photoshop on the bus KILLS my desire to read the story.
     
  • Meaat: You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack. Stop being so scared people, please it makes me ashamed to be apart of this world.
     
  • Ken: Without knowing all the facts, I don’t see how anyone can have an opinion on this. Yes, its good that he outed the NSA to the American people. However, no one knows yet what he might have leaked to other countries. I will have to wait and see.
     
  • Roberto: Under any circumstances, environment and country, this man is a coward, thief and a traitor!
     
  • Meaat: Since when is it hypocrisy to cooperate with those you don’t agree with? Everyone who claims Edward is a hypocrite for seeking refuge in China should take a good look at where all their products come from.
     
  • Francine: I’m hoping the times and the Guardian do a counter story soon to explain the correct side. that he is a traitor.
     
  • Christopher: Oh so now he’s a whistleblower. I thought he was a leaker and a traitor? Make up your mind, media.
     
  • Dawn: Traitor!
     
  • Valerie: He is a traitor to this Country. The news media wants him back so they can get his information.
     
  • Christopher: One of the things they lied about was their claims about terrorist plots supposedly stopped by the spying…
     
  • Tara: TRAITOR!
     
  • Michae: Hell no, the majority of Americans think he is a loser. F him!!
     
  • Rashida: Take action at ThankyouSnowden.org…… Nice Try NSA
     
  • Ngoc: Terrorist attacks must be under control. This is undoubtedly unsettling to hear our privacy is violated. I can be understanding for the security of this country.
     
  • Tim: no telling what he told the commies
     
  • Barbara: I think he’s a hero.
     
  • Oscar: Yes Mr. Snowden…. Come home so we can really Thank You!
     
  • Per: OMG – hope this is a joke!
     
  • Jay: Fuck the little bastard.
     
  • Christina: He is a brave young man that did what many of us wouldn’t. How many times do we see abuse of power and turn the other way. Agree with pp. He deserves to be pardoned and given a medal. He isn’t the traitor. Our government betrayed us.
     
  • Blake: At the same time investigate and punish our leaders that betrayed our constitutional rights.
     
  • Jeannie: I don’t understand why people are so shocked about the NSA. I learned about this arm of the government in college. I’ve been aware for years that this arm of the government was collecting information in secret. Maybe I should have been a whistleblower when I learned about the NSA. I don’t feel betrayed by the government and I think I’m in the minority in that I don’t believe Snowden is some sort of hero.
     
  • Nick: That’s it, all busses must be moved to Gitmo instantly, if not then Kent, Natasha and all the other commenters and I will go buy guns and starting killing all you liberal fuckers.
     
  • Nick: For the people who call him a traitor, what makes him one? Whistle blowing on criminal activities by the government does not make someone a traitor. Now if he sold secrets to our enemies to hurt us and/or gain money then yes. But he didn’t do that.
     
  • Field Marshal: There’s no way he’s a traitor if his revelations prompted the government to consider changing.
     
  • Rodolfo: That bus is in Europe
     
  • Steve Jenks Barrack obama should be the one on the run not Snowden !
     
  • Denis: Why Are We Pardoning President Bush and Punishing Chelsea Manning?
     
  • ” the Obama administration filed a petition with a San Francisco federal court arguing that former president George W. Bush and his advisors enjoy “absolute immunity” against any possible civil or criminal charges from the Iraq War”.
          So an unlawful war killing American citizens, and costing six trillion dollars is fine – for both Dems & Reps – but telling people that they are being spied upon by their own government – THAT needs prosecuting ?
     
  • Denis: Actual torture is fine though … President Barack Obama does not intend to prosecute Bush administration officials
     
  • Christopher: The FBI director kept famous files on everything from Martin Luther King’s sex life to never-before-reported secret meetings between RFK and Marilyn Monroe, as a new book reveals. An exclusive excerpt from Ronald Kessler’s ‘The Secrets of the FBI.’ ” …
     
  • ““The moment [Hoover] would get something on a senator,” said William Sullivan, who became the number three official in the bureau under Hoover, “he’d send one of the errand boys up and advise the senator that ‘we’re in the course of an investigation, and we by chance happened to come up with this data on your daughter. But we wanted you to know this. We realize you’d want to know it.’ Well, Jesus, what does that tell the senator? From that time on, the senator’s right in his pocket.”
     
  • Lawrence J. Heim, who was in the Crime Records Division, confirmed to me that the bureau sent agents to tell members of Congress that Hoover had picked up derogatory information on them.
          “He [Hoover] would send someone over on a very confidential basis,” Heim said. As an example, if the Metropolitan Police in Washington had picked up evidence of homosexuality, “he [Hoover] would have him say, ‘This activity is known by the Metropolitan Police Department and some of our informants, and it is in your best interests to know this.’ But nobody has ever claimed to have been blackmailed. You can deduce what you want from that.” “
    The FBI director kept famous files on everything
     
  • Christopher: Am I the only one to have read about how J Edgar Hoover blackmailed politicians?
     
  • J. Edgar Hoover Expert: First FBI Director Would Have Blackmailed Petraeus
          I presume that you all have enough imagination to figure out how NSA spying data can be used for political purposes?
    I’ve learned far more about government spying on citizens from the media than I have from official intelligence briefings
    Congressional oversight of the NSA is a joke. I should know, I’m in CongressNSA Director Admits He Lied About Surveillance Thwarting 54 Terror Plots It Appears that all recent NSA Chiefs have lied to Congress and to us
    How (former NSA Director) James Clapper will get away with perjury
    Yes, the national director of intelligence lied under oath, and his defense is implausible. You think that matters? How James Clapper will get away with perjury
     
  • Alan: Get that oathbreaker’s face off the bus.
     
  • Jim: Glover No ,everyone will think they can blackmail us.
     
  • Brian: To sum up the two popular opinions of the matter:
    1: “Snowden is a hero!”
    2: “I hate the frikkin’ government enough to demand rebellion on Facebook every day, but for some reason I hate someone who exposed actual reasons to dislike the government I hate, EVEN MORE!”
     
  • Nathan: He committed treason! No other word for it or him. He took an oath.
     
  • Glenn: no shit , huh? It’s a very disturbing Change!
     
  • Thad: Not on your life. Well, his. Not on his life.
     
  • Wayne: Go back to Russia.
     
  • Ron: Snowden deserves clemency!! Thanks Ed for having the balls to expose the bastards!
     
  • Michael: Trator deserving execution
     
  • Joshua: How many Russian chicks has he gotten with? They must be all over him.
     
  • Ducati: Terrific if it’s true and not just in specific boroughs.
     
  • Alec: Morally in the right, but legally? That’s a pretty gray area.
     
  • Julie: cognitive dissonance going on in my mind on this one – no black & white on this subject
     
  • Eric: This story’s epilogue has yet to be written. Courage always trumps cowardice …
     
  • Trip: so, in my head i’m trying to figure out what kind of new bus these “abuses” are in the photo…
     
  • Roger: the greatest American Hero in 2013!
     
  • Ken: Don’t come back.. I don’t care who say they got your back…… pls read pp. 162-164 of W’s Decision Points.
     
  • Kent: NO CLEMENCY! He cost American lives.
     
  • Michael: Many important whistleblowers have left the US for safety such as Frank Serpico.
     
  • Eric: how surprising, the Guardian wants clemency for Snowden.
     
  • Sonja: He’ll never get clemency here…even if they give it to him…hell get some sniper shot to his head…and it will be deemed accidental…know where you live.
     
  • Donovan: Benedict Arnold reincarnated!
     
  • Garrett: A whistle was blown into an empty canyon…
     
  • Anthony: I concur the one that does what many others should be doing!!!!
     
  • Bobby: How about they restaff city hall since they don’t like Police state abuse like 4th amendment violations such as the stop and frisk program?
     
  • Evan: I’d expect prison and nothing less if I did what he did. But I’d go to my cell with my head held high.
     
  • Wilhelm: All newspapers make this claim NPR? Fuck you.
     
  • Kevin: This is the first time since Herbert Hoover’s WWII records release that the inner workings of US state surveillance have been exposed…this is pretty big. We the people have got to watch the watchers – do not mistake this for a given, that we must suffer the eye.
     
  • John: does he have any info on Benghazi? We need answers
     
  • Dennis: Its Bush’s fault and you’re a racist
     
  • Kyle: I would get arrested if I exposed my abuses.
     
  • Rachael: Also read the constitution, because a lot of people seems to not realize what all is in their and just blanket rights that aren’t in their……
     
  • Rachael: The patriot act had overwhelming support of the america people.
     
  • Terry: traditionally “whistle blowers” are not granted clemency only murderers, rapists, etc. who can buy their freedom, security as I’ve investigated, covered, reported worldwide for decades. politicians have similarly done so since the beginning of time as we know especially w/Obama and both Clintons in power.
     
  • Adele: If he had faced the accusations, not run away to two countries that do worse to their citizens, he might have earned respect.
     
  • Logan: lol the new york times. arent they the ones who refused bradley manning?
     
  • RMW: Given that he acted as a legitimate whistle-blower, Snowden deserves a fairer shake than he is currently receiving. It’s rather pathetic to watch various zealots and self-promoters, Greenwald included, using Snowden’s actions to co-opt virtue for the sniveling Manning and pathological Assange, as if the definition of whistle-blowing is obtaining/releasing ANY information in ANY manner, just as long as it harms/embarrasses the United States. If these self-absorbed crusaders really cared about truth and justice, they would be exercising a bit more discernment.

So, I ended capturing here … they just seemed to go on and on basically repeating what had already been said. It finally petered out around 600 comments.

Still seems very strange to me . . . that people are so stupid to blindly follow what the media says without a shred of testifiable evidence. It has NOT been proven that Snowden’s “revelations” are true and correct. Did anyone ELSE find it very strange for him to suddenly appear under the wing of the Russians, almost faster than it would take for a normal person to even get a flight to Russia? Did anyone stop to check any of that data? REMEMBER : what he leaked were solid pages of numbers. Just numbers. Has anyone called any of those numbers? Did any of the foreign officials have even a shred of testifiable evidence that they had actually been spied upon??? (“NO” is the answer to that one) After weeks gone by, is there anyone out there who is truly stupid enough to believe any further revelations??? (After all this time, the data could easily have been replaced by the Russian government… or the Russian mob, or both)

Reading some of the comments — is it possible that NOBODY has any authentic evidence of what they claim. Is it possible that BOTH SIDES are as clueless as the media keeps them. The comments would suggest that.
Does anybody actually know the facts??? Is Snowden really in Russia? How do you know? Did you see him there? Otherwise it’s hearsay. Isn’t he in China? Do you know? Did he tamper with the documents he released? Did he re-write them to support his agenda? Will he get a book contract out of this . . . then movie royalties? Will he get a 232 between the eyes? We don’t know, do we?

Everyone gabbing on this thread just to be perpetuating your own beliefs? Get a life.
 

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